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καλῶς μοι δοκοῦντι τοὶ περὶ τὰ μαθήματα διαγνώμεναι, καὶ οὐδὲν ἄτοπον ὀρθῶς αὐτούς, οἷά ἐντι, περὶ ἑκάστων φρονέειν· περὶ γὰρ τᾶς τῶν ὅλων φύσιος καλῶς διαγνόντες ἔμελλον καὶ περὶ τῶν κατὰ μέρος, οἷά ἐντι, καλῶς ὀψεῖσθαι. περί τε δὴ τᾶς τῶν ἄστρων ταχυτᾶτος καὶ ἐπιτολᾶν καὶ δυσίων παρέδωκαν ἄμμιν σαφῆ διάγνωσιν καὶ περὶ γαμετρίας καὶ ἀριθμῶν καὶ σφαιρικᾶς καὶ οὐχ ἥκιστα περὶ μωσικᾶς. ταῦτα γὰρ τὰ μαθήματα δοκοῦντι ἦμεν ἀδελφεά· περὶ γὰρ ἀδελφεὰ τὰ τοῦ ὄντος πρώτιστα δύο εἴδεα τὰν ἀναστροφὰν ἔχει. πρᾶτον μὲν οὖν ἐσκέψαντο, ὅτι οὐ δυνατόν ἐστιν ἦμεν ψόφον μὴ γενηθείσας πληγᾶς τινων ποτ’ ἄλλαλα. πλαγὰν δὲ ἔφαν γίνεσθαι, ὅκκα τὰ φερόμενα ἀπαντιάξαντα ἀλλάλοις συμπέτηι· τὰ μὲν οὖν ἀντίαν φορὰν φερόμενα ἀπαντιάζοντα αὐτὰ αὐτοῖς συγχαλᾶντα, 〈τὰ〉 δ’ ὁμοίως φερόμενα, μὴ ἴσωι δὲ τάχει, περικαταλαμβανόμενα παρὰ τῶν ἐπιφερομένων τυπτόμενα ποιεῖν ψόφον. πολλοὺς μὲν δὴ αὐτῶν οὐκ εἶναι ἁμῶν τᾶι φύσει οἵους τε γινώσκεσθαι, τοὺς μὲν διὰ τὰν ἀσθένειαν τᾶς πλαγᾶς, τοὺς δὲ καὶ διὰ τὸ μᾶκος τᾶς ἀφ’ ἀμῶν ἀποστάσιος, τινὰς δὲ καὶ διὰ τὰν ὑπερβολὰν τοῦ μεγέθεος· οὐ γὰρ παραδύεσθαι ἐς τὰν ἀκοὰν ἁμῖν τὼς μεγάλως τῶν ψόφων, ὥσπερ οὐδ’ ἐς τὰ σύστομα τῶν τευχέων, ὅκκα πολύ τις ἐγχέηι, οὐδὲν ἐγχεῖται. τὰ μὲν οὖν ποτιπίπτοντα ποτὶ τὰν αἴσθησιν ἃ μὲν ἀπὸ τᾶν πλαγᾶν ταχὺ παραγίνεται καὶ 〈ἰσχυρῶς〉, ὀξέα φαίνεται, τὰ δὲ βραδέως καὶ ἀσθενῶς, βαρέα δοκοῦντι ἦμεν. αἰ γάρ τις ῥάβδον λαβὼν κινοῖ νωθρῶς τε καὶ ἀσθενέως, τᾶι πλαγᾶι βαρὺν ποιήσει τὸν ψόφον· αἰ δὲ κα ταχύ τε καὶ ἰσχυρῶς, ὀξύν. οὐ μόνον δέ κα τούτωι γνοίημεν, ἀλλὰ καὶ ὅκκα ἄμμες ἢ λέγοντες ἢ ἀείδοντες χρήιζομές τι μέγα φθέγξασθαι καὶ ὀξύ, σφοδρῶι τῶι πνεύματι φθεγγόμενοι * * * ἔτι δὲ καὶ τοῦτο συμβαίνει ὥσπερ ἐπὶ βελῶν· τὰ μὲν ἰσχυρῶς ἀφιέμενα πρόσω φέρεται, τὰ δὲ ἀσθενέως, ἐγγύς. τοῖς γὰρ ἰσχυρῶς φερομένοις μᾶλλον ὑπακούει ὁ ἀήρ· τοῖς δὲ ἀσθενέως, ἧσσον. τωὐτὸ δὴ καὶ ταῖς φωναῖς συμβήσεται· τᾶι μὲν ὑπὸ [τῶ] ἰσχυρῶ τῶ πνεύματος φερομέναι μεγάλαι τε ἦμεν καὶ ὀξέαι, τᾶι δὲ ὑπὸ ἀσθενέος μικκᾶι τε καὶ βαρέαι. ἀλλὰ μὰν καὶ τούτωι γά κα ἴδοιμες ἰσχυροτάτωι σαμείωι, ὅτι τῶ αὐτῶ φθεγξαμένω μέγα μὲν πόρσωθέν κ’ ἀκούσαιμες· μικκὸν δέ, οὐδὲ ἐγγύθεν. ἀλλὰ μὰν καὶ ἔν γα τοῖς αὐλοῖς τὸ ἐκ τῶ στόματος φερόμενον πνεῦμα ἐς μὲν τὰ ἐγγὺς τῶ στόματος τρυπήματα ἐμπῖπτον διὰ τὰν ἰσχὺν τὰν σφοδρὰν ὀξύτερον ἆχον ἀφίησιν, ἐς δὲ τὰ πόρσω, βαρύτερον· ὥστε δῆλον ὅτι ἁ ταχέα κίνησις ὀξὺν ποιεῖ, ἁ δὲ βραδέα βαρὺν τὸν ἆχον. ἀλλὰ μὰν καὶ τοῖς ῥόμβοις τοῖς ἐν ταῖς τελεταῖς κινουμένοις τὸ αὐτὸ συμβαίνει· ἁσυχᾶι μὲν κινούμενοι βαρὺν ἀφιέντι ἆχον, ἰσχυρῶς δὲ, ὀξύν. ἀλλὰ μὰν καὶ ὅ γα κάλαμος, αἴ κά τις αὐτῶ τὸ κάτω μέρος ἀποφράξας ἐμφυσῆι, ἀφήσει 〈βαρέαν〉 τινὰ ἁμῖν φωνάν· αἰ δέ κα ἐς τὸ ἥμισυ ἢ ὁπόστον 〈ὦν〉 μέρος αὐτῶ, ὀξὺ φθεγξεῖται· τὸ γὰρ αὐτὸ πνεῦμα διὰ μὲν τῶ μακρῶ τόπω ἀσθενὲς ἐκφέρεται, διὰ δὲ τῶ μείονος σφοδρόν. εἰπὼν δὲ καὶ ἄλλα περὶ τοῦ διαστηματικὴν εἶναι τὴν τῆς φωνῆς κίνησιν συγκεφαλαιοῦται τὸν λόγον ὡς· ὅτι μὲν δὴ τοὶ ὀξεῖς φθόγγοι τάχιον κινέονται, οἱ δὲ βαρεῖς βράδιον, φανερὸν ἁμῖν ἐκ πολλῶν γέγονεν.

The mathematicians (τοὶ περὶ τὰ μαθήματα) seem to me to have arrived at correct conclusions, and it is not therefore surprising that they have a true conception of the nature of each individual thing: for, having reached such correct conclusions regarding the nature of the universe, they were bound to see in its true light the nature of particular things as well. Thus they have handed down to us clear knowledge about the speed of the stars, their risings and settings, and about geometry, arithmetic, and sphaeric, and last, not least, about music; for these μαθήματα seem to be sisters.

for the first two kinds of being are indistinguishable.

First they have seen that it was not possible that there should be any noise, unless there was a shock of one body against another; they said there is a shock, when moving bodies meet and strike each other. The bodies moved in the air in opposite direction and those that are moved with unequal swiftness, — in the same direction, — the first, when overtaken, make a noise, because struck. Many of these noises are not susceptible of being perceived by our organs; some because of the slightness of the shock, the others because of their too great distance from us, some even because of the very excess of their intensity; for noises too great do not enter into our ears, as one cannot introduce anything into jars with too narrow an opening when one pours in too much at a time.

Of the sounds that fall within the range of our senses, some, — those that come quickly from the bodies struck, — seem shrill; those that arrive slowly and feebly, seem of low pitch. In fact, when one agitates some object slowly and feebly, the shock produces a low pitch; if the waving is done quickly, and with energy, the sound is shrill. That is not the only proof of the fact; which we can prove when we speak or sing; when we wish to speak loud and high, we use a great force of breath. So also something thrown; if you throw them hard, they go far; if you throw them without energy, they fall near, for they air yields more to bodies moved with much force, than to those thrown with little. This phenomenon is also reproduced in the sound of the voice; for the sounds produced by an energetic breath are shrill, while those produced by a feeble breath are weak and low pitch.

This same observation can be seen in the force of a signal given from any place; if you pronounce it loud, it can be heard far; if you pronounce the same signal low, we do not hear it even from near. So also in flutes, the breath emitted by the mouth and which presents itself to the holes nearest the mouthpiece, produces a shriller sound, because the impulsive force is greater; further, they are of lower pitch. It is therefore evident that the swiftness of the movement produces shrillness, and slowness, lower pitch. The same thing is seen in the magic tops which are spun in the mysteries; those that move slowly produce a low pitch, while those that move quickly with force make a shrill noise. Let us yet adduce the reeds. If you close the lower opening, and blow into it, it will produce a certain sound; and if you stop it in the centre, or in the front, the sound will be shrill. For the same breath traversing a long space weakens, while traversing a shorter, it remains of the same power. After having developed his opinion that the movement of the voice is measured by the intervals, he resumes his discussion, saying, that the shrill sounds are the result of a swifter movement, the lower sounds, of a slower movement, this is a fact which numerous experiments demonstrate clearly.

Thomas L. Heath; Kenneth Sylvan Guthrie · A History of Greek Mathematics I (1921), p. 11; Pythagorean Library (1920), pp. 37–39
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    Commentary on Ptolemy’s Harmonics · p. 236

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Hermann Diels, Die Fragmente der Vorsokratiker, 2nd edition, volume I (Berlin: Weidmann, 1906), p. 258; historical running original-language text, excluding the critical apparatus.
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Opening mathematical paragraph: Thomas L. Heath, A History of Greek Mathematics I (1921), p. 11, PDF p. 33; it supplies the astronomy clause omitted in Guthrie’s abbreviated opening. Following sentence and acoustics: Guthrie fragments 14–15, printed pp. 37–39. Both published wordings are retained verbatim; they are not fused into a newly authored translation

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Ἀ δὲ περὶ τῶν μεσοτήτων λέγων γράφει ταῦτα· μέσαι δὲ ἐντι τρῖς τᾶι μουσικᾶι, μία μὲν ἀριθμητικά, δευτέρα δὲ γαμετρικά, τρίτα δ’ ὑπεναντία, ἂν καλέοντι ἁρμονικάν. ἀριθμητικὰ μέν, ὅκκα ἔωντι τρεῖς ὅροι κατὰ τὰν τοίαν ὑπεροχὰν ἀνὰ λόγον· ὦι πρᾶτος δευτέρου ὑπερέχει, τωὐτῶι δεύτερος τρίτου ὑπερέχει. καὶ ἐν ταύται 〈τᾶι〉 ἀναλογίαι συμπίπτει εἶμεν τὸ τῶν μειζόνων ὅρων διάστημα μεῖον, τὸ δὲ τῶν μειόνων μεῖζον. γαμετρικὰ δὲ, ὅκκα ἔωντι οἷος ὁ πρῶτος ποτὶ τὸν δεύτερον, καὶ ὁ δεύτερος ποτὶ τὸν τρίτον. τούτων δὲ οἱ μείζονες ὅροι ἴσον ποιοῦνται τὸ διάστημα καὶ οἱ μείους. ἁ δὲ ὑπεναντία, ἃν καλοῦμεν ἁρμονικάν, ὅκκα ἔωντι 〈τοῖοι· ὧι〉 ὁ πρῶτος ὅρος ὑπερέχει τοῦ δευτέρου αὐταύτου μέρει, τωὐτῶι ὁ μέσος τοῦ τρίτου ὑπερέχει τοῦ τρίτου μέρει. γίνεται δὲ ἐν ταύται τᾶι ἀναλογίαι τὸ τῶν μειζόνων ὅρων διάστημα μεῖζον, τὸ δὲ τῶν μειόνων μεῖον.

Explaining himself about the means, Archytas writes: In music there are three means: the first is the arithmetical mean, the second is the geometrical, the third is the subcontrary mean, which is called harmonic. The mean is arithmetical, when the three terms are in a relation of analogical excess, that is to say, when the difference between the first and second is the same as between second and third; in this proportion, the relation of the greater terms is smaller, and the relation of the smaller is greater. The geometric mean exists when the first term is to the second as the second is to the third; here the relation of the greater is identical with the relation of the smaller terms. The subcontrary mean, which we call Harmonic, exists when the first term exceeds the second by a fraction of itself, identically with the fraction by which the second exceeds the third; in this proportion the relation of the greatest terms is greater, and that of the smaller, smaller.

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    Commentary on Ptolemy’s Harmonics · p. 267

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Porph. in Ptol. harm. p. 267 καὶ ἄλλοι δὲ πολλοὶ τῶν παλαιῶν οὕτω φέρονται [nämlich διάστημα = λόγος] καθάπερ καὶ Διονύσιος ὁ Ἁλικαρνασσεὺς καὶ Ἀρχύτας ἐν τῶι Περὶ τῆς μουσικῆς ... Ἀ δὲ περὶ τῶν μεσοτήτων λέγων γράφει ταῦτα·

μέσαι δὲ ἐντι τρῖς τᾶι μουσικᾶι, μία μὲν ἀριθμητικά, δευτέρα δὲ γαμετρικά, τρίτα δ’ ὑπεναντία, ἂν καλέοντι ἁρμονικάν. ἀριθμητικὰ μέν, ὅκκα ἔωντι τρεῖς ὅροι κατὰ τὰν τοίαν ὑπεροχὰν ἀνὰ λόγον· ὦι πρᾶτος δευτέρου ὑπερέχει, τωὐτῶι δεύτερος τρίτου ὑπερέχει. καὶ ἐν ταύται 〈τᾶι〉 ἀναλογίαι συμπίπτει εἶμεν τὸ τῶν μειζόνων ὅρων διάστημα μεῖον, τὸ δὲ τῶν μειόνων μεῖζον. γαμετρικὰ δὲ, ὅκκα ἔωντι οἷος ὁ πρῶτος ποτὶ τὸν δεύτερον, καὶ ὁ δεύτερος ποτὶ τὸν τρίτον. τούτων δὲ οἱ μείζονες ὅροι ἴσον ποιοῦνται τὸ διάστημα καὶ οἱ μείους. ἁ δὲ ὑπεναντία, ἃν καλοῦμεν ἁρμονικάν, ὅκκα ἔωντι 〈τοῖοι· ὧι〉 ὁ πρῶτος ὅρος ὑπερέχει τοῦ δευτέρου αὐταύτου μέρει, τωὐτῶι ὁ μέσος τοῦ τρίτου ὑπερέχει τοῦ τρίτου μέρει. γίνεται δὲ ἐν ταύται τᾶι ἀναλογίαι τὸ τῶν μειζόνων ὅρων διάστημα μεῖζον, τὸ δὲ τῶν μειόνων μεῖον.

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δεῖ γὰρ ἢ μαθόντα πὰρ ἄλλω ἢ αὐτὸν ἐξευρόντα, ὧν ἀνεπιστάμων ἦσθα, ἐπιστάμονα γενέσθαι. τὸ μὲν ὦν μαθὲν πὰρ ἄλλω καὶ ἀλλοτρίαι, τὸ δὲ ἐξευρὲν δι’ αὔταυτον καὶ ἰδίαι· ἐξευρεῖν δὲ μὴ ζατοῦντα ἄπορον καὶ σπάνιον, ζατοῦντα δὲ εὔπορον καὶ ῥάιδιον, μὴ ἐπιστάμενον δὲ ζητεῖν ἀδύνατον.

στάσιν μὲν ἔπαυσεν, ὁμόνοιαν δὲ αὔξησεν λογισμὸς εὑρεθείς· πλεονεξία τε γὰρ οὐκ ἔστι τούτου γενομένου καὶ ἰσότας ἔστιν· τούτωι γὰρ περὶ τῶν συναλλαγμάτων διαλλασσόμεθα. διὰ τοῦτον οὖν οἱ πένητες λαμβάνοντι παρὰ τῶν δυναμένων, οἵ τε πλούσιοι διδόντι τοῖς δεομένοις, πιστεύοντες ἀμφότεροι διὰ τούτω τὸ ἶσον ἕξειν. κανὼν δὲ καὶ κωλυτὴρ τῶν ἀδικούντων 〈ἐὼν〉 τοὺς μὲν ἐπισταμένους λογίζεσθαι πρὶν ἀδικεῖν ἔπαυσε, πείσας ὅτι οὐ δυνασοῦνται λαθεῖν, ὅταν ἐπ’ αὐτὸν ἔλθωντι· τοὺς δὲ μὴ ἐπισταμένους, ἐν αὐτῶι δηλώσας ἀδικοῦντας, ἐκώλυσεν ἀδικῆσαι.

He who knows must have learned from another, or have found his knowledge by himself. The science that you learn from another, is as you might say, exterior; what you find by yourself belongs to ourselves individually. To find without seeking is something difficult and rare; to find what one is seeking is commodious and easy; to ignore, and seek what you ignore, is impossible.

When the art of reflexion was discovered, diminished dissensions, and increased concord; those who possess it feel the pride of predominance yielding to the sentiment of equality. It is by reflexion that we succeed in adjusting our affairs in a friendly fashion; through it the poor receive riches, and the rich give to the poor, each possessing the confidence that he possesses the equality of rights.

Reflexion is like a rule which hinders and turns aside the people who know how to reflect from committing injustices, for it convinces them that they cannot remain hidden if they carry out their purposes, and the punishment which has overtaken those who do not know how to abstain makes them reflect and not become back-sliders.

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    Anthology

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καὶ δοκεῖ ἁ λογιστικὰ ποτὶ τὰν σοφίαν τῶν μὲν ἀλλᾶν τεχνῶν καὶ πολὺ διαφέρειν, ἀτὰρ καὶ τᾶς γεωμετρικᾶς ἐναργεστέρω πραγματεύεσθαι ἃ θέλει. * * * καὶ ἃ ἐκλείπει αὖ ἁ γεωμετρία, καὶ ἀποδείξιας ἁ λογιστικὰ ἐπιτελεῖ καὶ ὁμῶς, εἰ μὲν εἰδέων τεὰ πραγματεία, καὶ τὰ περὶ τοῖς εἴδεσιν . . .

Logic, compared with the other sciences is by far the most successful, and succeeds in demonstrating its objectives even better than geometry. Where geometric demonstration fails, the logic succeeds; and logic treats not only with general classes, but with their exceptions.

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ΔΙΑΤΡΙΒΑΙ.

Strob. I pr. 4 (p. 18, 8 W.) ἐκ τῶν Ἀρχύτου Διατριβῶν. καὶ δοκεῖ ἁ λογιστικὰ ποτὶ τὰν σοφίαν τῶν μὲν ἀλλᾶν τεχνῶν καὶ πολὺ διαφέρειν, ἀτὰρ καὶ τᾶς γεωμετρικᾶς ἐναργεστέρω πραγματεύεσθαι ἃ θέλει. * * * καὶ ἃ ἐκλείπει αὖ ἁ γεωμετρία, καὶ ἀποδείξιας ἁ λογιστικὰ ἐπιτελεῖ καὶ ὁμῶς, εἰ μὲν εἰδέων τεὰ πραγματεία, καὶ τὰ περὶ τοῖς εἴδεσιν . . .

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ἡ μέντοι δεκὰς πάντα περαίνει τὸν ἀριθμὸν ἐμπεριέχουσα πᾶσαν φύσιν ἐντὸς αὑτῆς, ἀρτίου τε καὶ περιττοῦ κινουμένου τε καὶ ἀκινήτου ἀγαθοῦ τε καὶ κακοῦ· περὶ ἧς καὶ Ἀ. ἐν τῶι Περὶ τῆς δεκάδος καὶ Φιλόλαος ἐν τῶι Περὶ φύσιος πολλὰ διεξίασιν.

The decad determines every number, including the nature of everything, of the even and the odd, of the movable and immobile, of good and evil. It has been the subject of long discussions by Archytas, and of Philolaus, in his work on nature.

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ZWEIFELHAFTE SCHRIFTEN ΠΕΡΙ ΤΗΣ ΔΕΚΑΔΟΣ

Theo Smyrn. p. 106, 7 HiIl. ἡ μέντοι δεκὰς πάντα περαίνει τὸν ἀριθμὸν ἐμπεριέχουσα πᾶσαν φύσιν ἐντὸς αὑτῆς, ἀρτίου τε καὶ περιττοῦ κινουμένου τε καὶ ἀκινήτου ἀγαθοῦ τε καὶ κακοῦ· περὶ ἧς καὶ Ἀ. ἐν τῶι Περὶ τῆς δεκάδος καὶ Φιλόλαος ἐν τῶι Περὶ φύσιος [32 B 11] πολλὰ διεξίασιν.

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καὶ τῶν Πυθαγορικῶν δὲ πολλοὶ τὴν αὐλητικην ἤσκησαν, ὡς Εὐφράνωρ τε καὶ Ἀ. Φιλόλαός τε ἄλλοι τε οὐκ ὀλίγοι. ὁ δ’ Εὐφράνωρ καὶ σύγγραμα Περὶ αὐλῶν κατέλιπεν· ὁμοίως δὲ καὶ ὁ Ἀ.

And likewise, many of the Pythagoreans practised the art of flute-playing, as Euphranor, and Archytas, and Philolaus, and many others. But Euphranor has also left behind an essay on Flutes, and so too has Archytas.

C. D. Yonge · The Deipnosophists, or Banquet of the Learned, of Athenæus, volume I (London: Henry G. Bohn, 1854), IV.84 (184e), p. 286
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ΠΕΡΙ ΑΥΛΩΝ

Athen. IV 184 E καὶ τῶν Πυθαγορικῶν δὲ πολλοὶ τὴν αὐλητικην ἤσκησαν, ὡς Εὐφράνωρ τε καὶ Ἀ. Φιλόλαός τε ἄλλοι τε οὐκ ὀλίγοι. ὁ δ’ Εὐφράνωρ καὶ σύγγραμα Περὶ αὐλῶν κατέλιπεν· ὁμοίως δὲ καὶ ὁ Ἀ. Vgl. B 1, S. 333, 10. Doch s. Ἀ. ὁ ἁρμονικός Chamaileon b. Ath. ΧΙΙΙ 600F und oben S. 322,16. 18

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  • English · C. D. Yonge. The Deipnosophists, or Banquet of the Learned, of Athenæus, volume I (London: Henry G. Bohn, 1854), IV.84 (184e), p. 286. Default reading. Published translation ↗ Paired original ↗

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non minus de machinationibus uti Diades, Archytas, Archimedes, Ctesibios, Nymphodorus, Philo Byzantius …

others again on machinery, such as Diades, Archytas, Archimedes, Ctesibius, Nymphodorus, Philo of Byzantium …

Morris Hicky Morgan · Vitruvius: The Ten Books on Architecture (1914), VII, preface 14
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  • Diogenes Laertius

    Lives of Eminent Philosophers · VIII 82

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    Diog. VIII 82

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Hermann Diels, Die Fragmente der Vorsokratiker, second edition, volume I (Berlin: Weidmann, 1906), chapter 35, doubtful writings, ΠΕΡΙ ΜΗΧΑΝΗΣ, p 263.
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The passage is a bibliography naming Archytas among writers on machinery. The translated Latin list ends at Philo, matching the dossier excerpt; the Greek editorial heading is retained in the dossier

The published translation is preserved. The historical original covers the same ancient passage; differences are noted below.

The 1906 scan p 263, lines 24–25, explicitly prints all six names, including Philo Byzantius. The 1922 digital base’s missing Philo and Byxontius do not justify repeating that transcription error.

Morgan’s 1914 English ends at Philo of Byzantium and therefore aligns with this complete excerpt. No English words changed.

The Latin verb supplied as [nämlich conscripserunt] in Diels is an editorial explanation and is omitted; the excerpt remains a grammatically dependent catalogue clause, as in the published English.

Hermann Diels, Die Fragmente der Vorsokratiker, second edition, volume I (Berlin: Weidmann, 1906), chapter 35, doubtful writings, ΠΕΡΙ ΜΗΧΑΝΗΣ, p 263. View original source ↗

English: Morris Hicky Morgan · Vitruvius: The Ten Books on Architecture (1914), VII, preface 14 Published translation ↗

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Hermann Diels, Die Fragmente der Vorsokratiker, second edition, volume I (Berlin: Weidmann, 1906), chapter 35, doubtful writings, ΠΕΡΙ ΜΗΧΑΝΗΣ, p 263.

The published translation is preserved. The historical original covers the same ancient passage; differences are noted below.

The 1906 scan p 263, lines 24–25, explicitly prints all six names, including Philo Byzantius. The 1922 digital base’s missing Philo and Byxontius do not justify repeating that transcription error.

Morgan’s 1914 English ends at Philo of Byzantium and therefore aligns with this complete excerpt. No English words changed.

The Latin verb supplied as [nämlich conscripserunt] in Diels is an editorial explanation and is omitted; the excerpt remains a grammatically dependent catalogue clause, as in the published English.

ΠΕΡΙ ΜΗΧΑΝΗΣ. Vitruvius, De architectura VII, preface14. non minus de machinationibus uti Diades, Archytas, Archimedes, Ctesibios, Nymphodorus, Philo Byzantius …

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  • English · Morris Hicky Morgan. Vitruvius: The Ten Books on Architecture (1914), VII, preface 14. Default reading. Published translation ↗ Paired original ↗

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Democritus physicus, Xenophon Socraticus, Aristoteles et Theophrastus peripatetici Archytas Pythagoreus.

Democritus the physicist; Xenophon the disciple of Socrates; Aristotle and Theophrastus, the peripatetics; Archytas the pythagorean

Fairfax Harrison · Roman Farm Management (1913), Varro, De re rustica I.1.8
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ΠΕΡΙ ΕΩΠΓΙΑΣ Vgl. Diog. VIII 82, S. 322,16.

Varro de r. rust. I 1 8 [daraus Colum. I 1, 7] qui graece scripserunt [nämlich de re rustica] . . . de philosophis Democritus physicus, Xenophon Socraticus, Aristoteles et Theophrastus peripatetici Archytas Pythagoreus.

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